Choosing the ‘right’ Tire/Wheel/Lift combination

[JohnGalt]

So I’m getting new rims to minimize the possibility of future debeading incidents and to allow lower air pressures.

I purposely went with base rims when I ordered because I liked the look the best and wasn’t convinced that I would really use the beadlock capability. I figured the $2800 I saved from not getting the option and the additional beadlock rings would go a long way to paying for rims I like and the functionality I want. Selling or keeping my base rims is icing on the cake.

So in researching beadlocks (BL) and bead grip (Method,Icon) (BG) rims I’ve discovered that there aren’t many choices in a 17” 6x135 8.5-9” and there aren’t ANY with an offset over +6 other than Ford OEM rims. Im not thrilled by the increase in width, but I’m left with no choice in the matter.

I’ve never been a big fan of BL rims, due to cost, weight, maintenance and compliance issues. So I’ve gravitated toward BG rims. Basically down to Method 105 with 0 offset or Icon Rebound Pro with +6

I think I’m settled on the Icon Rebound Pros due to the simple look, ease to clean, and seemingly stronger bead retention approach than Method. Thinking satin black, so I can touch up rock scrapes from time to time to make them more presentable at first glance. At 32 lbs they’re probably way lighter than any beadlock by a pretty wide margin.

So, building on the fact I’ll have an extra inch of offset, I’m now thinking about going with a little bigger tire, probably 38”. 38” feels like the right balance of being a little bigger, minimal extra weight, minimal extra stress on the steering, and will require minimal lift (I’m guessing I won’t get away with no lift)

So assuming I’ll need some lift I was thinking Foutz collars, 1.5” upfront and 1” in rear to give a little more room, a little more level (especially with winch/plate installed) but minimal tweaking of suspension

Since there is a lot of experience and knowledge out there I thought I’d ask you guys….My questions to the forum are:

1. Am I missing a good rim option option that has more positive offset?
2. Does my proposed 17”x8.5” +6 Icon Beadgrip wheel, 38”x12.5” tire and 1.5’/1” collars make sense? please Share your thoughts!

TIA

 

[Tye]

Ill chime in but want to ask a clarifying question. Are you wanting to retain the stock rake, or are you looking to be more level?

 

[Jetg]

Ill chime in but want to ask a clarifying question. Are you wanting to retain the stock rake, or are you looking to be more level?

I would think to retain stock rake it would be 1.5" and 1" and to make it level would be 2" and 1"

 

[JohnGalt]

Ill chime in but want to ask a clarifying question. Are you wanting to retain the stock rake, or are you looking to be more level?

my though was move more toward level, but not a requirement.

Stock rake doesn’t bother me but I’m anticipating that a little more lift in front than rear will pay some dividends in clearance and balancing out the winch / plate hanging off the front end.

hope that makes sense!

 

[Tye]

Yes, hence my question. The rear springs are softer than the front, so it takes more lift in the rear to avoid being level, or worse, squatting. But given you are front heavy with the winch, a 1.5/1 combo would be closer to level. Im just not sure if a 1" rear is enough with a 38 to not have any rub on full stuff. As you know, every tire has a different actual height, and a 38" Nitto is going to be pretty close to a 39" KO2. Also, depending on whose collars you go with, you will get a different answer in terms of actual height gained.

 

[Jetg]

I went with 2" in front and 1" in the rear Foutz collars on Nitto Ridge Grappler in 38 on stock bead lock wheels. Not sure how the RGP are with sizing as I heard it is different that the Foutz collars.

 

[DdYHrse]

I went with 2" in front and 1" in the rear Foutz collars on Nitto Ridge Grappler in 38 on stock bead lock wheels. Not sure how the RGP are with sizing as I heard it is different that the Foutz collars.

Can you post of a pic of this? I have been wanting to see something like this on the stock wheels. Thanks.

 

[Jetg]

Can you post of a pic of this? I have been wanting to see something like this on the stock wheels. Thanks.

Yes once I get it back. It is in for full PPF, ceramic, ceramic tint, windshield ceramic, exo shield, Fouz 2”-1”, 38’s, painted top/fenders and PPF on fenders, LP4 pillar lights, dashcam’s. Hope to get it back in the next couple days. It is a fully loaded black with graphics.

 

[Ckop24]

I think your proposal looks good! I don't think you'll have issues running 38's without any additional lift. I just put on some 17" 0 offset methods with 38" Nitto Ridge Grapplers. The wider offset wheels (vs stock) will give you a little extra space you need to run 38's. I will eventually lift mine 1.5", but it looks good without it too. Last comment - the difference between 0 and +6 offset is very small, I wouldn't let that sway your decision on wheel much.

 

[TX Braptor]

Hi

I think your proposal looks good! I don't think you'll have issues running 38's without any additional lift. I just put on some 17" 0 offset methods with 38" Nitto Ridge Grapplers. The wider offset wheels (vs stock) will give you a little extra space you need to run 38's. I will eventually lift mine 1.5", but it looks good without it too. Last comment - the difference between 0 and +6 offset is very small, I wouldn't let that sway your decision on wheel much.

Hey Ckop24, I was planning the exact tire upgrade to the Nitto RG 38” and debating on keeping the stock beadlock wheels vs a 0 or +1 type wheel. Can you please share some pics of your ride? To confirm, those fit w/o a lift?

Thank you in advance!

 

[TX Braptor]

I went with 2" in front and 1" in the rear Foutz collars on Nitto Ridge Grappler in 38 on stock bead lock wheels. Not sure how the RGP are with sizing as I heard it is different that the Foutz collars.

Hi Jetg, congrats on the recents mods.
Can you please share some pics with the level and 38”? Curious how it came out keeping the stock wheels. I’m looking to do the extra set up you did and really like the look of the stock wheels, but prefer a 0 to +18 offset stance. Trying to decide between which route to go. Thank you in advance!

 

[Jetg]

Hi Jetg, congrats on the recents mods.
Can you please share some pics with the level and 38”? Curious how it came out keeping the stock wheels. I’m looking to do the extra set up you did and really like the look of the stock wheels, but prefer a 0 to +18 offset stance. Trying to decide between which route to go. Thank you in advance!

Will make a post once I get it back. Looks to be later this next week.

 

[fuhrius]

I think your proposal looks good! I don't think you'll have issues running 38's without any additional lift. I just put on some 17" 0 offset methods with 38" Nitto Ridge Grapplers. The wider offset wheels (vs stock) will give you a little extra space you need to run 38's. I will eventually lift mine 1.5", but it looks good without it too. Last comment - the difference between 0 and +6 offset is very small, I wouldn't let that sway your decision on wheel much.

which Methods did you go with?

 

[Dragoon]

Subscribed and anxiously awaiting photos! 🍿

 

[Ckop24]

which Methods did you go with?

Sorry for late reply on this one. Method NV305 in double black. Attached a quick pic, don’t mind my missing center caps lol.

 

[TX Braptor]

Sorry for late reply on this one. Method NV305 in double black. Attached a quick pic, don’t mind my missing center caps lol.View attachment 7713

Looking good CKop!
Can you please take a pic from the front that shows how the 38x12.50 Nitto RG look? Really trying to get a sense how wide they look in that size.

Was considering these since C load range, but was worried they would look too skinny for these massive fender flares.

The classic Bronco script emblem on fender looks perfect. Thank you on advance!

 

[JohnGalt]

I went with 2" in front and 1" in the rear Foutz collars on Nitto Ridge Grappler in 38 on stock bead lock wheels. Not sure how the RGP are with sizing as I heard it is different that the Foutz collars.

How is the rake? Level?

Any rubbing on road? At full stuff?

 

[Jetg]

Should have it back mid day tomorrow and will get the height and specs.

 

[TX Braptor]

Should have it back mid day tomorrow and will get the height and specs.View attachment 7731View attachment 7733

Wow!! Def making me consider painted fenders. Looks great and those 38s fill the wheel wells nicely.

Please do provide the before/after heights with the Foutz collars when you have a chance. I’m ordering mine this weekend and was planning either 1” front/0” to level or might go 2”front/1” rear like yours. Thank you in advance and congrats on an awesome looking Braptor!

 

[Apache 8]

Should have it back mid day tomorrow and will get the height and specs.View attachment 7731View attachment 7733

What was the process to get the gloss on the top? How long does that last, does come with a guarntee and if you don't mind my asking, what was the cost? It looks beautiful!