How do you know what # Raptor you have based on VIN?

[Tacoman03]

So I've seen a few folks stating what their Raptor number is, guessing from VIN? If so, what numbers on my VIN tell me what number Raptor I have?

 

[Ironmike]

So I've seen a few folks stating what their Raptor number is, guessing from VIN? If so, what numbers on my VIN tell me what number Raptor I have?

Last 4 digits of VIN. Not a "Raptor number" per se...I don't even know what that means. But it gives you a very rough estimate of where you were in the scheduling process (not build, not shipping, not delivery). Highest VIN numbers for MY22's were around ~2700, but there is no indication that all VIN numbers were used prior to that.

 

[ChiliPepper]

The last 6 digits of the VIN is the numerical sequence. BRaptors, regular Broncos and Rangers are assembled at the Ford MAP in Wayne MI; hence, the BRaptors sequence numbers are mixed in with the other vehicles. It would take someone at Ford doing some production research to determine if your BRaptor is XXX of YYYY for MY22. Since it is only important for bragging rights, I don't think it is worth the effort.

What I would like to know is the difference between the A, B and C prefixes of the sequence number. Is it just a sequence number, meaning A00001 to A99999 then B00001 etc.? Is it sequential independent of model year, line, series or body type?

My MY23 BRaptor VIN is --B10302, which would imply that Ford has made all of the 'A' series and has started on the "B' series. That is over 110,000 vehicles for the MAP (BRaptors, regular Broncos and Rangers), which is totally possible for a given MY. However, since MY23 only started in November 2022, did the MAP crank out 110,000+ vehicles in 3 months? Not likely given the US quarterly Bronco and Ranger sales numbers.

Ford Bronco US Quarter Sales
Year	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total​
2020	-​	-​	-​	5,120​	5,120​
2021	23,356​	37,959​	30,093​	24,819​	116,227​
2022	23,573​	29,460​	21,427​	19,571​	94,031​
Total	46,929​	67,419​	51,520​	49,510​	215,378​
Ford Ranger US Quarter Sales						MAP​
Year	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total​	Total​
2019	9,421​	20,880​	26,211​	33,059​	89,571​	89,571​
2020	20,980​	25,008​	28,350​	27,148​	101,486​	106,606​
2021	24,166​	34,205​	14,335​	22,049​	94,755​	210,982​
2022	17,639​	16,201​	12,453​	10,694​	56,987​	151,018​
Total	72,206​	96,294​	81,349​	92,950​	342,799​	558,177​

It is difficult to say that production and sales numbers for a given quarter are the same. Also, the MY typically starts in October or Q4 of the previous CY.

Example #1
Looking at window sticker examples we can see a MY21 regular Bronco with a --A65550 VIN, which was assembled in Q2CY21. Using the sales number to estimate the MY production numbers we get a MAP total production for MY21 through June 2021 of 151,954. The Bronco only total is 66,435. So it is seen that the sequence number is dependent on the "line" but independent of the trim level or "series" and the A65550 VIN is reasonable for June 2021.

Example #2
Looking at window stickers for MY22 BRaptors with a --A50604 and --A51068 VIN, which were assembled in Q3CY22. The Bronco MY22 total through Q2CY22 is 77,852. So neither A50604 or A51068 is reasonable for July-August 2022, which implies that MY22 may not have started in OCT 2021 (Q4). Using only Q1 and Q2 sales numbers we get 53,033 Broncos, which makes the A50604 and A51068 VINs more reasonable. Note that if the sequence number was dependent on the "series" then that would imply the Ford made over 50,000 BRaptors in the first half of 2022; is that reasonable? Probably not. Bronco Nation estimates that only 2000-3000 BRaptors will be made annually.

Example #3
@widnere12 posted a --A80364 VIN for a MY23 BRaptor with a build date of 11-21-2022. Also looking at a window sticker for a MY23 regular Bronco with a --A86290 VIN and a build date of 11-17-2022 we see the MY did not start over at A00001. So what is going on here and why does a BRaptor built 4 days after a regular Bronco have a low sequence number? Clearly from all the postings, Ford ran the MAP for MY22 through the end of October to catch up on aging orders. So did Ford make over 80,000 MY23 Broncos is 3 weeks? Absolutely not! Logic cannot explain this large sequence number; however, it may explain why I have a --B10302 VIN for a MY23 BRaptor with a build date of 01-23-2023. That is to say the MY23 sequence numbers are a continuation of the MY22 sequence numbers.

Example #4
Looking at a window sticker for a MY22 regular Bronco with a --B18054 VIN, which was assembled in Q1-Q2CY22. How do we explain the 'B' prefix, which implies 118,053 Broncos for MY22? Total reported Bronco sales through the end of Q1CY22 was 144,920 (MY21: 96,528; MY22: 48,392). Clearly, if we want to make sense of Ford's sequence numbers, then we will need a Ford employee in production scheduling to explain it.

 

[Ironmike]

The last 6 digits of the VIN is the numerical sequence. BRaptors, regular Broncos and Rangers are assembled at the Ford MAP in Wayne MI; hence, the BRaptors sequence numbers are mixed in with the other vehicles. It would take someone at Ford doing some production research to determine if your BRaptor is XXX of YYYY for MY22. Since it is only important for bragging rights, I don't think it is worth the effort.

What I would like to know is the difference between the A, B and C prefixes of the sequence number. Is it just a sequence number, meaning A00001 to A99999 then B00001 etc.? Is it sequential independent of model year, line, series or body type?

My MY23 BRaptor VIN is --B10302, which would imply that Ford has made all of the 'A' series and has started on the "B' series. That is over 110,000 vehicles for the MAP (BRaptors, regular Broncos and Rangers), which is totally possible for a given MY. However, since MY23 only started in November 2022, did the MAP crank out 110,000+ vehicles in 3 months? Not likely given the US quarterly Bronco and Ranger sales numbers.

Ford Bronco US Quarter Sales
Year	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total​
2020	-​	-​	-​	5,120​	5,120​
2021	23,356​	37,959​	30,093​	24,819​	116,227​
2022	23,573​	29,460​	21,427​	19,571​	94,031​
Total	46,929​	67,419​	51,520​	49,510​	215,378​
Ford Ranger US Quarter Sales						MAP​
Year	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total​	Total​
2019	9,421​	20,880​	26,211​	33,059​	89,571​	89,571​
2020	20,980​	25,008​	28,350​	27,148​	101,486​	106,606​
2021	24,166​	34,205​	14,335​	22,049​	94,755​	210,982​
2022	17,639​	16,201​	12,453​	10,694​	56,987​	151,018​
Total	72,206​	96,294​	81,349​	92,950​	342,799​	558,177​

It is difficult to say that production and sales numbers for a given quarter are the same. Also, the MY typically starts in October or Q4 of the previous CY.

Example #1
Looking at window sticker examples we can see a MY21 regular Bronco with a --A65550 VIN, which was assembled in Q2CY21. Using the sales number to estimate the MY production numbers we get a MAP total production for MY21 through June 2021 of 151,954. The Bronco only total is 66,435. So it is seen that the sequence number is dependent on the "line" but independent of the trim level or "series" and the A65550 VIN is reasonable for June 2021.

Example #2
Looking at window stickers for MY22 BRaptors with a --A50604 and --A51068 VIN, which were assembled in Q3CY22. The Bronco MY22 total through Q2CY22 is 77,852. So neither A50604 or A51068 is reasonable for July-August 2022, which implies that MY22 may not have started in OCT 2021 (Q4). Using only Q1 and Q2 sales numbers we get 53,033 Broncos, which makes the A50604 and A51068 VINs more reasonable. Note that if the sequence number was dependent on the "series" then that would imply the Ford made over 50,000 BRaptors in the first half of 2022; is that reasonable? Probably not. Bronco Nation estimates that only 2000-3000 BRaptors will be made annually.

Example #3
@widnere12 posted a --A80364 VIN for a MY23 BRaptor with a build date of 11-21-2022. Also looking at a window sticker for a MY23 regular Bronco with a --A86290 VIN and a build date of 11-17-2022 we see the MY did not start over at A00001. So what is going on here and why does a BRaptor built 4 days after a regular Bronco have a low sequence number? Clearly from all the postings, Ford ran the MAP for MY22 through the end of October to catch up on aging orders. So did Ford make over 80,000 MY23 Broncos is 3 weeks? Absolutely not! Logic cannot explain this large sequence number; however, it may explain why I have a --B10302 VIN for a MY23 BRaptor with a build date of 01-23-2023. That is to say the MY23 sequence numbers are a continuation of the MY22 sequence numbers.

Example #4
Looking at a window sticker for a MY22 regular Bronco with a --B18054 VIN, which was assembled in Q1-Q2CY22. How do we explain the 'B' prefix, which implies 118,053 Broncos for MY22? Total reported Bronco sales through the end of Q1CY22 was 144,920 (MY21: 96,528; MY22: 48,392). Clearly, if we want to make sense of Ford's sequence numbers, then we will need a Ford employee in production scheduling to explain it.

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Your hypothesis is wrong. BRaptors are not mixed in with regular Broncos. They have their own VIN sequence numbers for each model year. End of story, everyone can move on.

 

[ChiliPepper]

Your hypothesis is wrong. BRaptors are not mixed in with regular Broncos. They have their own VIN sequence numbers for each model year. End of story, everyone can move on.

Where is your proof?

The problem with these forums is that they let anyone spew out anything without fact checking. Just because you say so doesn't make it true.

 

[slicktop]

Where is your proof?

The problem with these forums is that they let anyone spew out anything without fact checking. Just because you say so doesn't make it true.

I'm not disputing anyone's comments here, from what I know 22 Braptors last 5 numbers in vin start with number 5 and the 23 Braptors last five numbers in vin start with number 6 seems the Braptor vin's are unique and different than the other model Bronco's

 

[BRVOL]

I have mentioned this many times throughout several post. The model year 22 Bronco Raptor does have a specific VIN number. You can confirm this with Ford, Ford Performance etc. All the model year 22 Bronco Raptors VINs ended with NLA50000. For example like I have mentioned before my Bronco Raptor was built the first production week with 2 other Bronco Raptors from the same dealership and our VINs were NLA50142, 143 and 144. I do not know what they are doing with the MY 23 Bronco Raptor VINs.

The model year 22 VINs can also be confirmed by all the posted window stickers to include several in this thread.

 

[ChiliPepper]

So explain the MY23 BRaptors that have an "8" or a "1" in the 13th digit of the VIN, aka the start of the last five digits. Explain the use of "A" and "B" in the sequence number. You're guessing and making assumptions based on limited data.

 

[stumpm2]

Your hypothesis is wrong. BRaptors are not mixed in with regular Broncos. They have their own VIN sequence numbers for each model year. End of story, everyone can move on.

Ford Performance told me there is no way to tell from the VIN for the Bronco Raptors where it is in the model run because the Bronco Raptor VINS are all shared/mixed with regular Broncos. I asked on 2023 Bronco Raptors.

 

[slicktop]

So explain the MY23 BRaptors that have an "8" or a "1" in the 13th digit of the VIN, aka the start of the last five digits. Explain the use of "A" and "B" in the sequence number. You're guessing and making assumptions based on limited data.

I personally have not seen that on this site unless I missed it, but if your right I'm wrong! Hey, we are all learning more info every day, and eventually the facts will prevail.

 

[Ironmike]

So explain the MY23 BRaptors that have an "8" or a "1" in the 13th digit of the VIN, aka the start of the last five digits. Explain the use of "A" and "B" in the sequence number. You're guessing and making assumptions based on limited data.

Im not going to do your research for you…read up on how VIN numbers work. It explains everything. It has nothing to do with Ford…it’s a standard specification across the auto industry. And the final five digits change by model year (not to mention that the 10th character explicitly specifies/encodes the model year). Characters 4-8 encode things like engine size, type, etc.

Bottomline: regular Broncos have different VIN sequences than BRaptors.

 

[JohnGalt]

So explain the MY23 BRaptors that have an "8" or a "1" in the 13th digit of the VIN, aka the start of the last five digits. Explain the use of "A" and "B" in the sequence number. You're guessing and making assumptions based on limited data.

I don’t know what process they are using for MY23 Raptors. And don’t really care as I luckily got a MY22.

…. for MY22 they did them sequentially with last 6 characters of the VIN A5xxxx. starting at A50000 and ending somewhere in the range of A52700 +/-. These were not sequenced with other Broncos. They were rolled out sequentially when initially scheduled, but due to schedule pushes they were often built in a non-sequential order. My A51659 was initially scheduled in July but blended in late October toward end of MY22 production.

Who knows what Ford is doing in 2023, but It appears you’re guessing and making assumptions about well established MY22 data.

 

[Ironmike]

I don’t know what process they are using for MY23 Raptors. And don’t really care as I luckily got a MY22.

…. for MY22 they did them sequentially with last 6 characters of the VIN A5xxxx. starting at A50000 and ending somewhere in the range of A52700 +/-. These were not sequenced with other Broncos. They were rolled out sequentially when initially scheduled, but due to schedule pushes they were often built in a non-sequential order. My A51659 was initially scheduled in July but blended in late October toward end of MY22 production.

Who knows what Ford is doing in 2023, but It appears you’re guessing and making assumptions about well established MY22 data.

There is no process, per se. VIN is a formula (I.e. codified format). Model year is encoded in the 10th character of the VIN. 2022’s have N in that position, ‘23’s have a P. Sequence number (characters 12-17) is at the discretion of the manufacturer but of course can’t violate the other formulaic constraints of the VIN like model year, engine type, and vehicle configuration.

But @JohnGalt is correct - Ford blocked out the A5xxxx sequence numbers for MY22 Braptors (which by design allowed for more than enough VINs for projected production). Can’t mix in regular Broncos to that block because that would violate the formula (which is illegal). I haven’t paid strict attention to MY23 production, but there is definitely a similarly blocked set of sequential numbers.

 

[ChiliPepper]

@Ironmike, This says it all "...I haven’t paid strict attention to MY23 production..."

YOU are making an assumption when you say "but there is definitely a similarly blocked set of sequential numbers." Look at the window stickers I've posted and got your research correct.

 

[Ironmike]

@Ironmike, This says it all "...I haven’t paid strict attention to MY23 production..."

YOU are making an assumption when you say "but there is definitely a similarly blocked set of sequential numbers." Look at the window stickers I've posted and got your research correct.

Don't need to - the spec is the spec. If you think there's an error, contact the NHTSA. Otherwise, this is cut and dried. Fixed ranges for all Bronco models and trims. Nothing you've shown me contradicts that. You are ignoring the VIN specification and drawing conclusions that are not supported by any facts. Your window sticker examples are prime examples of this misinterpretation...

 

[ChiliPepper]

The hubris is astounding. Move along.

 

[Ironmike]

The hubris is astounding. Move along.

Definitely will. Can't get thru thick skulls...

 

[SteelBronco]

2023 VIN Decoder:

 

[Ironmike]

2023 VIN Decoder:

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I think Raptors all get assigned an ‘E’ in character position 4. Aren’t they all over 6000# for GVWR?

 

[ChiliPepper]

Yes. See window sticker examples in post 3 of this thread.